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| lauver | July 29th, 2008 09:42 PM CRAFTSMAN SERIES TIME FRAMES: 7/24/08 UPDATE Early Craftsman Series (generally pre-1946, some exceptions): BC = unknown U.S. manufacturer, ca. ? - ? BE = New Britain and some Hinsdale, ca. 1931 - 1947 BT = unknown U.S. manufacturer, ca. 1936 - 1938 Cxx = New Britain and probably Hinsdale and Fulton, ca. 1930 - 1936 CI = probably Fulton, ca. 1930 - 1945 CF = Herbrand, ca. 1930 - 1936 C8 = JP Danielson, ca. 1930 -1936 F-circle = possibly Lectrolite or Miller Falls, ca. 1949 - 1964 G-circle = possibly Lectrolite, ca. 1949 - 1959 perhaps as late as 1964 H-circle = New Britain and some Hinsdale, ca. 1931 - 1947 K-circle = SK, ca. 1935 - 1949 perhaps as late as 1984 N-square = unknown U.S. manu., ca ? - ? P-circle = Wilde, ca. 1945 รข?? 1960 S-circle = unknown U.S. manufacture, ca. ? - ? V-circle = unknown U.S. manu., ca. ? - ? U-circle = probably Proto/Plomb/Penens/Fleet, ca. 1944-1948 Modern Craftsman Series (generally 1946 and later, some exceptions): BF = probably Daido, possibly Hozan, Japanese made, ca 1969 - 1987 C = unknown U.S. manu., ca. 1991 D = unknown Chinese manu., ca. 2002-2008 E & EE = Stanley Works, some U.S. made, some Taiwanese made, ca. 1969 - 1991 F = unknown U.S. manu., ca 2008 G = Danaher, ca. 1990 - 2008 G1 = Danaher, ca. 2000 G2 = Danaher, ca. ? - 2008 GK = Danaher, ca. 2003 - 2008 GK-A = Kingsley Tools division of Danaher, ca. 1999 - 2003 GK-F = Kinsley Tools division of Danaher, ca. 2007 - 2008 GK-G = Kingsley Tools division of Danaher, ca. 2007 - 2008 H = Danaher, ca. 1994 - 2008 HZ = likely Danaher, ca. ? - 2008 I-circle = possibly Parker Mfg Co, ca. 1985 K = SK division of Facom, ca. 1985 - 2004 K3V = Danaher, ca. ? - 2008 KR = Danaher, ca. ? - 2008 KU = Danaher, ca. ? - 2008 KV = Danaher, ca. ? - 2008 KW = Danaher, ca. 2002 - 2008, probably earlier KX = Danaher, ca. 2002 - 2008, probably earlier P = Wilde, ca. ? - 2008 PR = Pratt Read, ca. 1995 - 2008 S PR = Pratt Read, ca. 2007 - 2008 T PR = Pratt Read, ca. 2007 - 2008 U PR1-3 = Pratt Read, ca. 2008 V PR = Pratt Read, ca. 2007 - 2008 W PR = Pratt Read, ca 2007 - 2008 T3W = Danaher, ca. 2008 V = Moore Drop Forge, ca. 1950 - 1968 perhaps earlier V (continued) = Easco, ca. 1969 - 1989, perhaps as late as 1991 VA = Armstrong division of Danaher, ca. 2002 - 2008, perhaps earlier VF = Danaher, ca. likely early 1990's VG = Danaher, ca. 1994 - 1995 VH = Danaher, ca. 1994 - 1997 VJ = Danaher, ca. 1994 - 2008 VK = Danaher, ca. 1996 - ? VL = Danaher, ca. ? - ? VM = Danaher, ca. ? - ? VN = Danaher, ca. 1999 - 2001 VP = Danaher, ca. ? - ? VQ = Danaher, ca. ? - ? VR = Dahanher, ca. 2003 - ? VS = Danaher, ca. 1995 - 2003 VT = Danaher, ca. 2006 VV = Danaher, ca. 1990 - 2007, perhaps later VW = Danaher, ca. 2002 - 2008 V^(2nd V inverted) = Danaher, ca.1992 - 2008 VVN = Danaher, ca. 2005 VVS = Danaher, ca. 2003 VVT = Danaher, ca. 2004 - 2005 VVV = Danaher, ca. 2008 VVW = Danaher, ca. 2008 VVX = Danaher, ca. 2002 - 2008, possibly earlier W = probably SK Hand Tools, post-Facom , ca. 2005 - 2008 WF = Western Forge, ca. 1965 - 2007 WF ll = Western Forge, ca. 1969 WF U = Western Forge, ca. 2008 WF V = Western Forge, ca. 2008 WF W = Western Forge, ca. 2002 - 2008 D WF = Western Forge, ca. 2000 F WF = Western Forge, ca. 2003 J WF = Western Forge, ca. 1995 K WF = Western Forge, ca. 1995 T WF = Western Forge, ca. 2002 - 2008 V WF = Western Forge, ca. 2002 - 2008 W WF = Western Forge, ca. 2002 - 2008 X WF = Western Forge = Western Forge ? - 2008 Z = Mayhew, ca. 2007 - 2008 3 = Kastar, ca. 1991 4 = Kastar, ca. 1992 [ = Kastar, ca. 2002 - 2008 possibly earlier .(Dot) = SK, ca. 2008 " " (Tools with no series code) = multiple U.S. manufacturer's including Allied Tool, American Tool, Danaher, Greenfield, Jore Corp, JS Technology, Kastar, KD, Lisle, Mayhew Steel, Midwest Snips, Milbar, Stanley Works, Stride Tool, Sturtevant Richmond, Ullman Devices, Vermont American, Western Forge, and Facom and other unknown foreign manufacturer's, ca. 1986 - 2008 Again, feel free to review, comment, and provide evidence of series codes, manufacturers, and/or dates not shown above. Post away! |
| lauver | July 29th, 2008 10:07 PM Guys, Here's the latest updates as of last week. You'll notice the summary list has grown and some manufacturers and date ranges have changed. I've incorporated changes from both the CC and GJ tool forums. To keep things simple and easy to find, let's try to keep all posts related to series codes centralized on this thread. At some point, this thread will become too long and combersome and another update of the series code list will be needed, and at that point I will start a new thread like this one, but with a "new update" date. Clear as mud? After you've had a chance to review the updated series list, please post any questions, concerns, or suggested revisions. Sound like a game plan? |
| Joe | July 30th, 2008 07:47 AM Kastar is A&E Tool of Racine, WI. Star Hoffman was/is a division of theirs and was here in NY at one time (Lindenhurst, LI). They make the test equipment for the likes of Sears, Matco, Snap On and others. Their stuff is excellent quality, and US made. I have several of their products. I think automotive tools with "F" in them are KD Danaher, but I could not be 100% sure of this. Shinn Fu (who bought out Lincoln Automotive from Clore in 1999) told me they make jacks for Sears, and the numbers the person gave me turn out to be the racing style jacks sold at Sears the last few years. I have older Lincoln stuff, it's superior to the newer stuff they make today. |
| lauver | July 30th, 2008 01:58 PM Joe, You're right, Kastar is part of A&E Tools. Kastar makes a bunch of stuff for Sears/Craftsman; ratcheting box-end wrenches (older laminated style), magnetic socket inserts, rethreading kits, etc). The guys at GJ also think series F is the KD division of Danaher. Most of the tools with the F code are specialty tools (brake service, tune up, cylindar hones, etc), which is just the sort of stuff KD is known for. We just don't have the smoking gun yet. I'm guessing that by the end of the week it should be resolved. You've got good tool instinct and I really appreciate your input. |
| Joe | July 31st, 2008 12:10 PM Another easy way to find the "smoking gun" is the instruction sheet that comes with some items. Call the 800 # and see who answers. I bought wrench set #47038 off Ebay a few years ago and called the # after hours. I got, "Welcome to Danaher Tools". I got my answer. Danaher made my wrench set for Sears. Done :). |
| Paul | July 31st, 2008 11:56 PM Joe's definitely right about that. That very technique is how I found out most of who makes Husky stuff for HD. Specifically, it's how I found out not to over bid on that Florida Pneumatic die grinder on eBay. Found out that the Husky one at HD is the exact same thing, made by Florida Pneumatic. And it's usually cheaper to get it at the store than it is to bid for the FP branded one and pay shipping on eBay. Just call the Husky tools "1-800" number, select air tools, and the recording will list off the number for FP. :) |
| Joe | August 1st, 2008 06:12 AM The same way I found out that Stanleyworks makes their toolboxes. I got a floor model from HD, and I called the # in the drawer and SW answered the phone and the guy sent me the parts N/C. They are up in Canada. |
| Joe | August 1st, 2008 12:23 PM The HD air tools have (or had) a lifetime warranty. They did in 2002 or so when I bought them. That started the "hold up the line" issue at HD one day. I noticed the same units I bought, model # for model # went down about $150 total from when I bought them (about 5 or six tools). I had never used them at that point and wanted an adjustment. They refused. I even brought in the packages so they could see they were new. I then asked where their policy says otherwise. Ummm, it doesn't. LOL. So I told the manager, we could it a few ways: 1) Give me the adjustment. 2) I call corporate HD and they make you do it anyhow. 3) We can argue and discuss it here all day. 4) #3 causes the line to grow which isn't a good thing. I then stated I wanted the adjustment and that only because my tools are US made in some cases, and I didn't want the current versions that were not made here. I got my adjustment....I guess it was my payback for waiting 45 minutes to exchange a Husky screwdriver that would have been 45 seconds at Sears. Unfortunately when I went to price out my grandfather's garage door, the system HD uses generated a $1500 "basic" door, whereas Lowes was $500 and the door was insulated. As you know I put that up with the help of two friends, so it worked out that I saved $450 doing it myself. |
| Adam | August 6th, 2008 12:09 AM I got some more subseries info. I've got a -V- series 43784 Craftsman long-lever ratchet with an F sub-series code, stamped in the snap ring well. The F, like most of the other sub-series codes is stamped perpendicularly to the raised panel long-axis. I also have a flex-head ratchet "head" with the F sub-series stamped parallel to the raised panel long-axis, with an underline character stamped under the F. |
| Joe | August 6th, 2008 09:13 AM I'm almost sure you have Wilde right as "P". If you look at their product catalog and cover (at least the last time I looked), many of those tools like kinda familiar..... |
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